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AoP
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Re: Vulture Hybrid Revealed!
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Reply #60 on:
March 09, 2008, 04:28:27 PM »
Quote from: Wolf~72 on March 08, 2008, 06:57:12 PM
i think we should have a new vote of cbt, vs mw4, vs hybrid
The current level of satisfaction according to this thread's poll doesn't make that seem necessary. A significant majority is either happy with the Mech as it is or thinks minor adjustments might do it.
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Reply #61 on:
March 10, 2008, 03:10:47 PM »
Looks fine. I would care more about the speed and load-out than the looks however.
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DDM_ChaosGryphon
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March 10, 2008, 04:41:30 PM »
IMHO, i felt that CBT look weak.. however it is canon and thats what folks want to see.. When i started playing MW4 i was like ok.. Mad Dog II.. Heavier punch, upgraded weapons.. Comes from the Mad Dog heritage. then I saw the Hybrid.. the Arms .. hmm.. too me it looked like someone just merged the two arms together.. but after reading through this thread I realize it is the Arm and Pod position that rankled me.. I think Keeper had it best it in his.. Maybe make the legs more CBT..(since we dont have a Madcat modeled (MWLL) to see its legs) but in the end.. It would be nice to keep CBT in mind.. but hey.. New Artists bring new flavor.. May I point out to One and all to look at the MWLL Kodiak that was built. It looks closer to CBT then MW4 did but still it is not spot on. However I feel that the the MWLL Kodaik has the fearsome look that has always brought to my mind.. much more so then CBT or MW4 (ESP MW4.. i thought they took the head of a Flat Nosed Mack Truck for the MW4 Model)
so in the end I gave it a fine because i like the what the modeler did with it and could very well live with it and consider it a Mad Dog III.. after all.. New mech designs are still hitting the books and this could be one of them.
In the end i say let the people decide and whether or not the CBT, MW4 or Hybrid is used I would still love to pilot it.
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Re: Vulture Hybrid Revealed!
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Reply #63 on:
March 10, 2008, 10:26:16 PM »
Quote from: DDM_ChaosGryphon on March 10, 2008, 04:41:30 PM
but after reading through this thread I realize it is the Arm and Pod position that rankled me.. I think Keeper had it best it in his..
HA!
It's ONLY an angle change and a color scheme. To be honest guys, the angle you view a model at can drastically change it's look, and the original picture was taken more from a infantry view point. I'd say on this one, I'd just wait on it.
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Zeus6S
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Reply #64 on:
March 11, 2008, 03:00:40 PM »
I still think it should have the same number of guns as the stock model that is proposed in the Factions Section.
2 ER Large Lasers + 2 ER Medium Lasers on the arms and 2 LRM-20s on the Torsos. Unless the model changes what the loadout is in the Factions Section, then I don't see a reason to keep 6 cannons on a mech that only has 4.
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Reply #65 on:
March 11, 2008, 03:20:41 PM »
Actually, the chin turret is an easy piece to add and remove, and we hope to add weapons dynamically (thus the chin gun could be a anti-infantry machine gun for a bit of personal protection).
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Aurora Paradox
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March 12, 2008, 02:11:19 PM »
The arms just don't look very natural to me. The center, left, and right torso are fine don't change those. The arms look you snap them off with one shot from a lbx autocannon 20. I would also have to agree with some of the other posts the position of the arms isn't very relaxed. I'd personally rather have the old mechwarrior 4 design but thats probably because thats what I expect a vulture to look like. I would rate it 3 out of 5.
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zaha
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March 12, 2008, 05:13:19 PM »
Quote from: auroraparadox on March 12, 2008, 02:11:19 PM
The arms just don't look very natural to me. The center, left, and right torso are fine don't change those. The arms look you snap them off with one shot from a lbx autocannon 20. I would also have to agree with some of the other posts the position of the arms isn't very relaxed. I'd personally rather have the old mechwarrior 4 design but thats probably because thats what I expect a vulture to look like. I would rate it 3 out of 5.
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Well, what wouldn't be blown of by a lbx ac 20? O_o'
And the 'old' mw4 design would rather be new, since it's a reissue of the actual old design
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Reply #68 on:
March 12, 2008, 09:21:50 PM »
Quote from: DDM_ChaosGryphon on March 10, 2008, 04:41:30 PM
In the end i say let the people decide and whether or not the CBT, MW4 or Hybrid is used I would still love to pilot it.
I agree start a new poll and make the choices: CBT, MW4, or Hybrid.
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Re: Vulture Hybrid Revealed!
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March 13, 2008, 03:28:57 AM »
Quote from: zaha on March 12, 2008, 05:13:19 PM
Well, what wouldn't be blown of by a lbx ac 20? O_o'
Curiously enough, a Vulture's arms.
Unless you roll a 12 on the crit, you can not blow them off with one shot even in Battletech where armour levels are much lower. If you use a scatter round, you won't blow anything off without a really lucky TAC.
I've always worked under the assumption that there's some really good armour here, though. There's a lot of things that don't look all that well protected in Battletech, not the least of which is the Thor's right arm, even though the thing is actually a beast on paper.
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March 13, 2008, 09:58:15 AM »
^Agreed. The marauder should be clown to shreds if you think about it. Long skinny arms and legs.
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Reply #71 on:
March 13, 2008, 05:59:00 PM »
Quote from: Skydance on March 13, 2008, 03:28:57 AM
Quote from: zaha on March 12, 2008, 05:13:19 PM
Well, what wouldn't be blown of by a lbx ac 20? O_o'
I've always worked under the assumption that there's some really good armour here, though. There's a lot of things that don't look all that well protected in Battletech, not the least of which is the Thor's right arm, even though the thing is actually a beast on paper.
I understand your point. However mechs are supposed to be the ultimate weapons of destruction. If mechs are that powerful than they should look powerful and not look like you could snap their arms off with one shot.
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March 14, 2008, 02:37:38 AM »
Quote from: auroraparadox on March 13, 2008, 05:59:00 PM
I understand your point. However mechs are supposed to be the ultimate weapons of destruction. If mechs are that powerful than they should look powerful and not look like you could snap their arms off with one shot.
Do you know that scene in Star Wars VI - Return of the Jedis, where those Imperial AT-ST Walkers rush through the forest of Endor and one gets smashed inbetween two trees? The Vulture in general to me seems a lot like that AT-ST scout walker and like it's almost screaming for special treatment like that, in particular the fragile CBT version.
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Re: Vulture Hybrid Revealed!
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March 14, 2008, 12:27:35 PM »
Quote from: AoP on March 14, 2008, 02:37:38 AM
Do you know that scene in Star Wars VI - Return of the Jedis, where those Imperial AT-ST Walkers rush through the forest of Endor and one gets smashed inbetween two trees? The Vulture in general to me seems a lot like that AT-ST scout walker and like it's almost screaming for special treatment like that, in particular the fragile CBT version.
Yes I am familiar with that scene. Are you agreeing with me?
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Re: Vulture Hybrid Revealed!
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March 14, 2008, 01:32:17 PM »
Quote from: auroraparadox on March 14, 2008, 12:27:35 PM
Quote from: AoP on March 14, 2008, 02:37:38 AM
Do you know that scene in Star Wars VI - Return of the Jedis, where those Imperial AT-ST Walkers rush through the forest of Endor and one gets smashed inbetween two trees? The Vulture in general to me seems a lot like that AT-ST scout walker and like it's almost screaming for special treatment like that, in particular the fragile CBT version.
Yes I am familiar with that scene. Are you agreeing with me?
To the extent that the CBT version of the Vulture looks totally unworthy of a heavy class Mech and that some of the concessions made in the Hybrid version just bring back some of those unworthy elements, among them the fragile look of arm-body-connection and the legs?
Yes, I tend do agree. It doesn't bother me though. As mentioned by others numerous times, much of the things in the BT universe don't make sense or were created with other things in mind than physics, real warfare requirements or even logic. I think the current hybrid is a good compromise between the two versions that were available initially.
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