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« on: June 06, 2008, 06:39:17 PM »

My hat goes off and my heart goes out to the brave soldiers who fought and died on this day 63 years ago. This was a day that lived in infamy, this was D-Day.
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« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2008, 12:49:49 AM »

That is already 63 years but those should never be forgotton.
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« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2008, 11:44:53 AM »

The sacrifice they made for their country shall always be remember no matter what.
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« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2008, 11:46:33 AM »

The sacrifice they made for their country shall always be remember no matter what.

Not just for their country, even if that's what they might have been sent out for.
What they achieved is way beyond just American/British/Canadian interests.

Yes. Hitlers goal was the world, not just the super powers. He eventually would have turned on Japan as well just like he did with Russia.
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« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2008, 10:35:34 PM »

Funny how the two really agressive Axis powers, Germany and Japan, are now two of the highest ranking industrial and technological companies in the world. Seems losing permission to work on your war machine and then investing your nations GNP into industry and technology was a smart idea.
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« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2008, 12:08:13 AM »

It looks like it's one of our things ;-) We always seem to get back up on our feet when we screwed something up and get a beating that we deserved.
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« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2008, 12:31:24 AM »

Abesolutely, look at what's happening in the nations of the former USSR. I'm just worried the US's turn is comming up.
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« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2008, 02:02:14 AM »

Abesolutely, look at what's happening in the nations of the former USSR. I'm just worried the US's turn is comming up.

Historic truth... all great empires fall some day: think of Babylon, the Roman or Greek empires, of the Byzantine empire or more recently the Spanish and British empires.
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« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2008, 06:15:07 PM »

Funny how the two really agressive Axis powers, Germany and Japan, are now two of the highest ranking industrial and technological companies in the world. Seems losing permission to work on your war machine and then investing your nations GNP into industry and technology was a smart idea.

Actually Germany is allowed to build their own military. They once again have some of the most innovative war machines being built.

Could you imagine what it would be like if Japan was building military arms? That shit would be fucking wacky. If the US ever needed to reassert its military power we could just threaten the rest of the world with allowing the Japs to build stuff for us. That would scare everyone in a hurry Grin

US press release to the world: "Nuclear weapons are no longer a viable method for waging ware. The Japanese have invented a breathable cloth T capable of withstanding a nuclear blast! Also it shoots death rays."
Knowing the Japanese they would probably just call it a death ray and leave it at that.

Japan has been one of the most successful nation in the history of the world. They were rebuilt from the ground up largely by America with its capitalistic ideas. In the end I think it has worked very well for Japan combined with their own way of life.

But they are also the reason the A-bomb was invented. It was either that or second D-Day style invasion where even more people would have died.
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« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2008, 06:41:33 PM »

Actually Germany is allowed to build their own military. They once again have some of the most innovative war machines being built.

Could you imagine what it would be like if Japan was building military arms? That shit would be fucking wacky. If the US ever needed to reassert its military power we could just threaten the rest of the world with allowing the Japs to build stuff for us. That would scare everyone in a hurry Grin

Germany has been allowed to build arms since the 1965, after the post-WWII treaty expired, and the Leopard II is considered to be one of the most advanced Tanks in service despite approaching 30 years in service.

Japan doesn't build military tech because they make too much money now doing commercial and entertainment technology. Plus I think they learned their lesson from WWII, that was is futile, except in the Battletech unniverse of course.
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« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2008, 04:13:22 PM »

Just out of interest but when are we going to stop bringing up stuff from over 60 years ago.
I find this fascination with having to announce things like D day and Pearl Harbour every year rather strange.
Is it a yank thing?
We in Britain have a poppy day every year in which people buy a Red poppy to wear as a sign of respect and to honour the dead,and we have 2 mins silence on  the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month(or the nearest Sunday to it).
We only make a big deal of historical events on the major anniversaries of them.
Like 200 years of Trafalgar,50 years of D day ETC.
I just don't understand the need to bring it up every year.
I think its about time some people let it go and stopped wallowing in the past.
As most people who where there have passed away now.
This is not to take away from the suffering and sacrifice that occurred then.



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« Reply #11 on: June 14, 2008, 04:31:37 PM »

I know Seraph is German, and I think Iron Brian is too. It's not a Yank thing, thanks, it's a global thing. Poppy Day isn't limited to Britan, Canada also celebrates it. I personally belive that for an event in which people gave their lives to steer the course of human history against oppression it should be remebered and honored, both for the sacrifice of so many people, and for the lessons that should have been learned from such events.

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By all means, if this thread really does annoy you that much, ignore it.
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« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2008, 03:29:49 PM »

I know Seraph is German, and I think Iron Brian is too. It's not a Yank thing, thanks, it's a global thing. Poppy Day isn't limited to Britan, Canada also celebrates it. I personally belive that for an event in which people gave their lives to steer the course of human history against oppression it should be remebered and honored, both for the sacrifice of so many people, and for the lessons that should have been learned from such events.

"I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided, and that is the lamp of experience. I know no way of judging of the future but by the past." -Edward Gibbon

By all means, if this thread really does annoy you that much, ignore it.
No mate it doesn't annoy me.
I just don't see how just recalling things like D day and Pearl Harbour all the time achieve anything.
The lesson may have been learnt years ago.But we are talking 60 odd years since then.
Did the lessons we learnt about WWI make any difference to what happened afterwards?
Has what happened in WWII any relevance to modern day?
What about Korea and Vietnam.
Have the lesson been learned from the sacrifice and suffering?
In a word no.
Or things like Iraq,Zimbabwe,The Sudan,Tibet would not be happening.

WWII is now becoming a forgotten war for most youngsters.
Its like how many people recall anything from the First World War.
Do names like Yipes,Verdun,Passchendaele  mean anything to most people nowdays.
I bet without looking on the internet these names mean nothing.
The fact that WWII is now becoming a forgotten war is a good thing in some ways.
Its relevance to today is negligible.Most people who lived through it are dead now.
The ideals and reasons for it are long gone.
So maybe its time to let it go and move on.

In fact its now seen as a valid war to re-enact.
I am not to sure about what i think about re enacting WWII battles.
I have nothing against people dressing up and obtaining  the equipment of the period.But when it comes to "battles" i find it rather sad.As they all seem to take place over a stupidly short range so give the public a totally false idea of what must have happened.
Be aware that i used to be a Viking and Saxon re-enacter so i have some idea of why they do it.
But even when we were fighting we used to explain that we are only giving the public some idea of what it may have been like.
But people can still see film footage from WWII so they know what it must have been like to fight.Which makes the modern re enactments even more surreal.
I have seen pictures of a 1/2 scale Hetzer being used in a re enactment.Hows that for surreal.
 


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« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2008, 10:34:08 PM »


I think its about time some people let it go and stopped wallowing in the past.
As most people who where there have passed away now



You have absolutely NO CLUE what you speak of. You show an overwhelming lack of common knowledge on these subjects. I suggest starting with the 1st grade and making your way to at least the HS equivalent over there. And I'm not being my regular sarcastic a-hole self either. You seem to be incredibly undereducated. Your posts contradict each other and fallow no logic. Do they write everything in verse over there also? I might need to know that if I ever travel.


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If nothing else subscribe to an American broadcast of The History Channel. It might do you more good than actual school. And my grandpa was in WWII, hes still alive. Your really a jerk for what you said in my quote, among other things.

The only part of your ignorant posts I will directly address is your disrespect for the veterans. Otherwise I would have to quote you line for line and explain in great detail why you are wrong. I could literally write a ten page essay for almost every line of your posts explaining why they are wrong. People have been given PHd's for writing hundreds of pages on singular things your have said explaining why you are wrong.

ALL VETERANS alive or dead deserve respect and remembrance for what they have done for my country and this world. They showed more valor and honor each day of the war than I think you could in a life time.

If you rly want to know why then go back to school. If you want the short explanation I can spend a few hours spelling it out for you on here. Im going to give you the benefit of the doubt and guess that you are just or uneducated or young and not actually a nazi. There are some seriously wrong things about what your saying tho. And I mean that from a factual point of view not an idealistic one.
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« Reply #14 on: June 16, 2008, 12:44:16 AM »

Thanks Iron, no need for me to post anything Smiley But even though that day seemed to be mean nothing for you, gautrek, just think of those who lost their families in this war. My grandfather survived and went to jail in Egypt. He was one the lucky guys who survived. You should respect that we do want to remember other who were not that lucky.
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