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Old_Beowulf
Bondsman
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Re: Vista
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Reply #15 on:
July 11, 2008, 12:05:48 PM »
I posted here b4 about Vista. I have resolved the problems I was having. Turned out that I had a bad stick of ram and it was killing me. I put in 2 new sticks of ram. 4 gigs of 1066 ram (got a good price on it too) and all is well.
I have had one blue screen of death from some old software I was running. I think these are from the system protection and when something tries to write to protected space, Vista deliberately crashes to protect the system. I wish they would just crash the program and put up a message but it is a protection feature.
There was one problem early on. There are a huge number of Vista updates and a full service pack and I had trouble getting them all to install. If anyone has the same problem, post it and I will tell you what I did. It is a bit involved so I won't do it unless it is needed.
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Defender
I like Shiny Things.
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Re: Vista
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Reply #16 on:
July 11, 2008, 12:40:01 PM »
I Dualboot XP Pro x32 + Vista Professional x64 at work, Dualboot Vista Business x32 and XP Pro x32 at home, and Dualboot Vista Professional x32 and Ubuntu 8.04 on my laptop.
I have found no problems with Vista, nor have I really had any reason to boot into XP in months. Vista runs absurdly faster than XP in terms of interface and launching programs. I like how if a program becomes unstable, it just isolates it in a little security bubble. I shut down all the excess crap on my home and laptop machines, but left it on the work machine. It's snappier but a bit less secure, but I'm not an idiot so I have no worries. In the past 2 years I've run one virus/spy/malware scan (recently) and found 0 crap in over a terabyte of space.
My Boss is a Mac fanboi but I've personally found nothing compelling to switch to it for. I personally like the way Ubuntu looks and feels and Compviz Fusion is an amazing interface addition that puts OSX and Aero interface to shame. It's excellent. Quite fast, much snappier, no crashes, instant hardware recognition (for my laptop), instantly functional networks that reads both Mac and Win networks without a hitch.
I use Vista for all my multimedia needs (3D and 2D modeling, Games, so on) and I use Ubuntu for all my Office needs for school and such. Ubuntu boots up and shuts down faster than Vista but it lacks good support for my main programs like Maya, Max, Adobe Creative Suite, Zbrush, Games and so on. It's a great quick and speedy OS for doing primitive things and it's extremely functional and customizable. Ubuntu reminds me of a good mix of WinXP and OSX with additions to functionality and interface at the cost of multimedia functionality.
Apple charges way too much for their limited software support and excessively overpriced hardware. I use OSX at work all the time and I'd recommend Ubuntu over OSX for office apps and shit since it's FREE and it works with your already existing PC hardware. Unless you have money to blow and just like Apple, go for it, if not Ubuntu is a great middleground alternative. Vista is a good, well-rounded OS, that runs everything you can throw at it with ease. The only requirement is to NOT have a piece of shit computer. The majority of complaints I hear from Vista owners are from those who are trying to run it on their pre-Vista systems. A dual-core and 2GB ram is more than enough to run Vista and it's dirt cheap nowadays anyway.
Just my 2 Cbills.
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Seiko
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Re: Vista
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Reply #17 on:
July 11, 2008, 09:06:17 PM »
I guess I expect more from the software I use. I've had a Ubuntu desktop at work for a year and don't use it for anything but doing software target builds. The office software, while not bad, still sucks compared to MS Office. I don't use iWork do can't say anything about it. MS Office 2008 for Mac is awesome. Using Ubuntu is enjoyable but its lack of support for all the programs I use makes it mostly useless for me. Just in my case... I know it is useful to others.
I am not a fan boy for anyone. I don't hate Microsoft; I just hate Vista. I look at everything from an engineering stand point. Mac has rated superior for all the criteria I set and so that is where my money is at right now. Maybe that will change in the future. Maybe not.
The reason they are expensive, not excessive, is because Apple keeps a very tight reign on hardware vendors. This leads to quality and not a market flooded with piece of shit hardware as the PC market is. My daughters Mac from 4 years ago runs OSX 10.5 perfectly without any upgrades. Try to run Vista on a computer that is 4 years old and, as you said, its impossible. Wonder why that is? It has to do with software quality.
Maybe the laptop I bought with Vista on it just couldn't handle it. But tell me why Microsoft and HP would sell a laptop with a huge VISTA READY sticker on it if the hardware couldn't handle the OS?
I am a believer in the "You Get What You Pay For" saying. I pay for the Mac and their software because it has proven, at least to me and almost every major computer magazine including Maximum PC, to be a superior product.
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Defender
I like Shiny Things.
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Re: Vista
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Reply #18 on:
July 12, 2008, 06:55:15 AM »
It's all just preference at this point.
An OS does what you need it to do and just like any software, whether it's a 3D package or an Operating System, they each have their strengths and weaknesses. Vista is strong all around, OSX is strong in it's own specialized way and Linux has it's own strengths.
I have to argue this with my boss all the time. He thinks that because I don't have any use whatsoever for OSX that I hate Apple, which isn't quite true, it's just useless and redundant to me and serves no purpose except to limit my choices in hardware and software. For my purposes, buying a Mac is paying more for less. Not the same case for everyone, as you stated, doing engineering it's the better platform for your purposes while doing multimedia development Vista is my preference.
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Seiko
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Re: Vista
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Reply #19 on:
July 12, 2008, 03:31:35 PM »
Quote from: Defender on July 12, 2008, 06:55:15 AM
Not the same case for everyone, as you stated, doing engineering it's the better platform for your purposes while doing multimedia development Vista is my preference.
Do you realize how back-asswards we are? Usually all the artists and multimedia guys go for Mac and engineers go for windows. Too funny.
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Defender
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Re: Vista
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Reply #20 on:
July 12, 2008, 09:06:00 PM »
Quote from: Seiko on July 12, 2008, 03:31:35 PM
Quote from: Defender on July 12, 2008, 06:55:15 AM
Not the same case for everyone, as you stated, doing engineering it's the better platform for your purposes while doing multimedia development Vista is my preference.
Do you realize how back-asswards we are? Usually all the artists and multimedia guys go for Mac and engineers go for windows. Too funny.
I Agree.
It is quite amusing.
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MWLLKeeper
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Re: Vista
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Reply #21 on:
July 14, 2008, 02:47:17 PM »
This is because you are our team asshats
Love you guys
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QMaverick
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Re: Vista
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Reply #22 on:
July 18, 2008, 07:29:51 AM »
Just to let you know, you can go from 32 bit XP to 64 bit Vista...it's what I did....
As far as Mac being overpriced--well, it is. Sorry. When you are putting a lot of the same hardware (from the same vendors) in a system as Dell and what not, you have no business charging up to 40% more. Yes, Mac does use some extremely high quality parts like the motherboards and a few other bits and pieces, but the processors and the RAM are from a lot of the same vendors you find in PC makers, yet they charge more for them when you build your own Mac. It's the only real complaint I have with them. Do I like OSX, nope...but that's just a preference, it's stable and it looks pretty, but I find it counter-intuitive for trouble shooting.
A lot of my friends think I hate Mac, but really, just a lot of the things they do tick me off. For instance, why the devil can't we have a built in optic drive and removable battery in the MacBook Air? And don't tell me there isn't room because IBM did it with their competitive system, and VoodooPC did it even better with theirs. Why isn't there a number pad on their 17" laptops? I mean, the 17" laptop I'm typing on now has one, and I love it. In any case, I don't hate Mac, I just prefer my PC.
Besides, if you build the PC yourself and know what you're doing when you pick the parts, you'll have a system with superior hardware to just about any computer on the market (PC or Mac).
I know when I bought the hardware for my PC that I built a year ago, you couldn't even get a Mac with my stuff in it. (they didn't even have drivers to support my 8800 GTX at the time). So, what should you take away from my overly long post? Build your own computer, screw pre-built PC's and Macs...hahaha...
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Defender
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Re: Vista
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Reply #23 on:
July 18, 2008, 08:05:27 AM »
Quote from: QMaverick on July 18, 2008, 07:29:51 AM
...So, what should you take away from my overly long post? Build your own computer, screw pre-built PC's and Macs...hahaha...
/Agree
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PanzerBoxb
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Re: Vista
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Reply #24 on:
July 18, 2008, 08:12:20 AM »
If you are solely interested in performance at the best price point, build it yourself. If your needs swing to wanting a solidly engineered system that will probably last much longer than you will use it, then consider Apple. I have a PowerMac G4 that I bought back in 2001. To date it is still the best engineered system I have ever seen as far as internal layout and component quality goes. Granted, it won't run that latest version of MacOS X but that is not because it does not have the horsepower. I have been considering a new iMac for all my non-computationally intensive applications and non-gaming needs but the price is still more than I am willing to pay at this point.
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AoP
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Re: Vista
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Reply #25 on:
July 18, 2008, 08:15:13 AM »
Quote from: PanzerBoxb on July 18, 2008, 08:12:20 AM
I have a PowerMac G4 that I bought back in 2001.
If I'm not mistaken, they still were using the RISC architecture back then though, not x86.
Personally, I'd rather be willing to get one of those than one of the new ones.
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QMaverick
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Re: Vista
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Reply #26 on:
July 18, 2008, 11:11:37 AM »
Performance and engineering wise, you can do much better with buying individual components (if you know what you're doing) than you could with a Mac. I built a home-made system in '01 that I finally upgraded last year and it ran fine--my brother was using it and he wanted more gaming capability, hence the upgrade.
I also have a Gateway laptop from '01 that still works....it was a graduation present. It sure as crap wouldn't run Vista though!
Seriously though, I can build a more powerful PC than any Mac you could buy for at LEAST a thousand dollars less that will last every bit as long. Hence my pet peeve with Mac. Heck, the same goes for Dells. I built a PC for a kid a while ago that cost him about $1,400...the comparable Dell priced out at $2,800 if I recall correctly. That's craptastic.
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ToeBall
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Re: Vista
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Reply #27 on:
July 18, 2008, 11:33:28 AM »
Actually, I have to disagree. I've been building servers and big workstations for years. A dual Xeon system is gonna cost regradless of weather you throw Windows or OSX on it. The laptops are steep however. My MSI Whitebox build is every bit the same hardware as a MacBook Pro as far as GPU, chipset, and so on. But it lacks the bells and whistles like the multitouch pad and magnetic power connector, and it's about .1" thicker. It does, however have things that the MacBook lacks like eSATA and an HDMI. Also things like the 2.6 GHz C2D and 250 GB HDD can easily account for a majority of the price difference.
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PanzerBoxb
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Re: Vista
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Reply #28 on:
July 18, 2008, 12:17:02 PM »
QMav, I was not referring to the quality of components, I was referring to quality evident in engineering of the entire solution. Open an older PowerMac and you can see how well it was designed as a whole.
You will notice that I am not mentioning their newer hardware. If there was any hope that Apple would lower their prices once they switched to a more mainstream architecture, those hopes were quickly dashed.
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QMaverick
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Re: Vista
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Reply #29 on:
July 18, 2008, 02:51:44 PM »
Quote from: PanzerBoxb on July 18, 2008, 12:17:02 PM
QMav, I was not referring to the quality of components, I was referring to quality evident in engineering of the entire solution. Open an older PowerMac and you can see how well it was designed as a whole.
You will notice that I am not mentioning their newer hardware. If there was any hope that Apple would lower their prices once they switched to a more mainstream architecture, those hopes were quickly dashed.
I agree with you there--I was hoping the same thing. I will agree that, build wise, they do make very solidly constructed laptops and towers. My old Gateway still works, but it looks like crap now whereas a Mac from the same era holds up better physically and doesn't look quite as out dated.
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