Oh yeh? Oh yeh?

Well, my laptop came with a 3 year manufacturers warranty and a 1yr "oopsie, mybad" warranty as well and had better hardware than a comparable Macbook Pro for $1500 (ATi 3650 1GB VMem), vs the Macbook, which had a worse video card (nvidia 8600 512MB, other specs equal, 2.5ghz, 4GB ram) for $2800 (refurbished even, not even new). Yes, I considered getting a Macbook Pro when I was buying my new laptop for school. Then I continued to do more research as to the hardware that I actually wanted in it. I'm a fan of Functionality over Fashion. Macs are Fashionable but not as functional as a PC.

Why pay 200% more for a system that I'd inevitably end up installing Windows on anyway? Apple kinda signed themselves to defeat when they moved from proprietary architecture to Intel-based systems and let you run Windows...it's kinda like, "Hey guys, we know you want all the functionality of Windows with the elegance of a Mac but with PC parts! We're still gonna charge out the ass tho!" 

Besides, depending on how much research you put into getting your system (whether it's PC or Laptop), yes, surge protection is included. Cmon, like Apple invented the wheel? All they do is use cherry picked PC parts for their systems. Especially if it's an Intel-based system the Intel chips auto-shutdown upon surge or overheat regardless. Watching an AMD Chip explode on a table while the Intel Chip just fizzled a little was pretty cool.

So yes, my homebuilt system WILL shut itself off when an abnormal current spike happens.

The consensus: Macs cater (primarily, not completely) towards people who don't know much about computers, have money to blow, want quality over quantity and just want an easy, thoughtless, seamless computing experience. PC's these days seem more aimed at the "hardcore" or more technical user, which is why alot of people bitch about Vista's dummified ease of use, lowering themselves to OSX standards to cater to the people who don't know the Power button on a Monitor from the Power Button on a Chassis.

Windows is to Mech3, while OSX is to Mech4, imo in terms of customizablity.

Disclaimer:
This was not intended as a flame, just the opinion of an individual as to personal preference and reasoning.

This is getting old really fast. Especially when statements are made that may have been true 3 years ago but are not even close to true now. I had all the same opinions not even a year ago. I started researching the MBP in January and got mine in March or April. Since then, I realized that, while my old opinions were correct at the time, they aren't any longer.

I would say the mass market PC builders cater to people who know nothing about computers. I do not see how OSX caters to people who know nothing of computers. That is EXACTLY what UNIX users said about Windows many years ago. Its all a load of crap; people who just dis the "new thing" because they want to feel superior in their VAST knowledge of computers (the definition of "UNIX User"). Windows targets the "hardcore user"? HAHAHAHAHA! Oh, come on. Now you are really making stuff up.

Apple switching to Intel was one thing that increased sales because now Windows users can run it in a virtual machine without losing any performance at all. Vista is another great marketting tool for Apple. Sales continue to increase. Take a look at Apple stock prices over the last few years. Then look at Microsoft. Apple 2005-2008 = $53 -> $165. Microsoft 2005-2008 = $24 -> $25. Yup, Apple sure got defeated!

I just love the way you compare Mac users to blundering idiots that can't figure out what a power button is and then claim it was not a flame. You sound just like a UNIX user back in the old days. Same old crap. Fact of the matter is that you continue to throw out your "opinion" without any solid facts backing you up. You just continue to argue the past instead of opening your eyes and realizing that times have changed. Do some Google searching... you'll find countless posts from engineers, artists, grandma's, kids, students, etc that all say the same thing... the switch was the best thing they could have done. I know the world is full of stupid people... good thing we have you "hardcore PC users" around to show us the power button whenever we forget.

 

It really comes down to user preference. I've grown up with both but because there are more playable games for the PC, I've obviously chosen to use the PC. I have done quite a bit of prosumer work on OSX and it is a nice operating system.

I, however, cannot agree with Apple's pricing and proprietary hardware (even though they use PC components now, you have to buy a Mac to use OSX) as you can almost ALWAYS build a similar system for much less on the PC side.

I preferred the Mac's for productivity and creation but their user interface is clean and unobtrusive... most of the time. I've had my share of horror stories but it goes for both systems..

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Just so you know, you have to hack the OS to do that.  It's illegal and if "The Jobbs" ever found out, he'd probably destroy you with some sort of proprietary death ray. 

Facts:  Mac charges way more than PC's for a well engineered product.  You can get a PC engineered just as well for a little less dough, but you can't run OSX on it.  Things like protecting your computer from power spikes have existed on PC's for a loooooong time (my old Gateway from 2001 for example, as well as every single home built tower I've ever made).  Both PC users AND Mac users get their facts mixed up whenever arguing this particular issue.

Someone said it already, but it boils down to preference.  If you like OSX, spend the extra money and get a Mac.  Anymore, however, the primary physical differences between the machines are aesthetic in nature.  The hardware is pretty dern similar.  So, realize, when you buy a Mac, you're really paying for OSX and a pretty new toy that's built pretty well.  However, you could pay the same price for a "pretty" laptop from VoodooPC and run Windows.     So buy what ya' like, and quit claiming it's superior to everything else!

My OS is bigger than Your OS.

I just recently built a new big gaming box with Ulty 64-bit on it.  I was hoping that you Vista pro's could help me in indentifying these processes/services that are not needed and how I can get rid of them.  I find myself still in the "learning curve" for finding out how to correctly "do" things in Vista.

I had hell getting ArmA to install and run, also CoD4 had a helluva time with, Crysis Warhead took a dumper because of the EA Game Manager software, but all is well now.

P5N-E SLI
Q6600 (@ 3.0ghz)
8 gigz PC6400
RAID0
1gb 4870

T is not the biggest or fastest, but was cheap and works well so far over all, even though it has had some issues with games, everything else has been NBD.

Any help would be much appreciated.

Thanks!

birdie:)