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« Reply #15 on: June 24, 2008, 12:10:42 PM »
Quote from: Mizzri on June 24, 2008, 08:41:50 AM
Would it be possible to run a DX10 server/game but turn off the destructible environment? Is that possible? If the DE's are what is going to cause huge lag and/or network traffic, why not just switch them off, or have an option/version of the game without them. Then we could still see all the atmospheric eye candy without time running backwards on us  Wink
We kind of require destructible environments... At least to my knowledge we do, otherwise 'mechs would have a real hard time traversing ground that isn't a road.
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« Reply #16 on: June 24, 2008, 05:21:38 PM »
Quote from: Mizzri on June 24, 2008, 08:41:50 AM
Would it be possible to run a DX10 server/game but turn off the destructible environment? Is that possible? If the DE's are what is going to cause huge lag and/or network traffic, why not just switch them off, or have an option/version of the game without them. Then we could still see all the atmospheric eye candy without time running backwards on us  Wink

In single player you could force all DX10 settings through console variables (such as dynamic sunbeams, etc).  It would run fine too as long as you had a good DX10-capable video card that didn't blow chunks.  You could have destructable enviornments in DX9 and DX10 for single player.

In Crysis multiplayer, the same is possible HOWEVER destructable enviornments were restricted to DX10, along with day+night cylces.

But, it turns out you don't need DX10 for descructible enviornments and day+night cycles.  I've played on a server once that was modded through the admin console to run a day+night cycles, and it was DX9.  There is also sucessfully a DX9 multiplayer destruction physics mod in the works last I heard.
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« Reply #17 on: June 24, 2008, 05:41:02 PM »
Our levels have all been running TOD in DX9. That wasn't part of the mod unless someone did that before I joined.
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« Reply #18 on: June 24, 2008, 07:04:08 PM »
It was always possible in DX9, but Crysis multiplayer for whatever reason by default in the server what-nots has it disabled for DX9.  Don't ask me why Tongue
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« Reply #19 on: June 25, 2008, 07:01:51 PM »
Well... won't take too much... All I gotta do is addict my CoD4 clan into this game and arrange a place to set a LAN, and we are ready to go... But Clan fights will have to be LAN fights too to make it fun huh? So would be interesting... Having a bit more socialization in Game Fights... Geeks learning social skills... weird!
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« Reply #20 on: June 28, 2008, 08:55:05 PM »
I work for cablevision in the NY/CT/NJ/LI area and our lightpath has some massive bandwidth (up to 1000MBPS per connection). Granted it would be expensive as hell for you guys, but if you're at all concerned aside from bandwidth with the read/write functions on the harddrive (if there are any...) depending on how many dedicated servers you set up, SSD's are the way to go.

EVE online switched from Raid over to SSD's and they showed a 4000% increase in performance.  And let me tell you, lag used to be HORRIBLE just for thumbnail views!
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« Reply #21 on: June 28, 2008, 09:11:10 PM »
Nah, our servers only are harddrive intensive while loading the levels, takes between 9 sec on a mode 5 raid with 15k rpm hdd's and 34 seconds on my dual p3 with a single 7200 rpm IDE drive... a couple of gigs of ram are recommended. This is all DX9 testing, btw.
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« Reply #22 on: June 28, 2008, 09:24:13 PM »
Quote from: korsen on June 28, 2008, 08:55:05 PM
EVE online switched from Raid over to SSD's and they showed a 4000% increase in performance.  And let me tell you, lag used to be HORRIBLE just for thumbnail views!

Solid state hard drives are still very expensive and are not mainstream yet. I have however been waiting eagerly for these for awhile. Cheesy
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« Reply #23 on: June 29, 2008, 01:34:20 PM »
They're not mainstream, but they're so quick with the read/write functions that you don't need anything too large. The only thing that's going to be coming down in price soon will be LCD monitors by 30-40% of ASP this year. Might be a good time to pick up a 24". Those damn 30"ers will never come down below 1k >:O
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« Reply #24 on: June 29, 2008, 06:14:06 PM »
Quote from: korsen on June 29, 2008, 01:34:20 PM
They're not mainstream, but they're so quick with the read/write functions that you don't need anything too large. The only thing that's going to be coming down in price soon will be LCD monitors by 30-40% of ASP this year. Might be a good time to pick up a 24". Those damn 30"ers will never come down below 1k >:O

Now, do you really need a nice 30"?

I mean, I still think my 21" widescreen is big  Cheesy
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« Reply #25 on: June 29, 2008, 06:28:57 PM »
I don't need them for real estate, but i've got a 21" CRT that does 2048x1536. I need the pixel estate, not the screen size. Unfortunately, the only thing that beats my CRT is a 30"er. Anything less and the native resolution drops to 1920 which doesn't justify the purchase for me. Nevermind the CRT costing me 180$ at the time, so in comparison, it's a sour deal all around.
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« Reply #26 on: June 29, 2008, 08:26:20 PM »
Quote from: korsen on June 28, 2008, 08:55:05 PM
I work for cablevision in the NY/CT/NJ/LI area and our lightpath has some massive bandwidth (up to 1000MBPS per connection). Granted it would be expensive as hell for you guys, but if you're at all concerned aside from bandwidth with the read/write functions on the harddrive (if there are any...) depending on how many dedicated servers you set up, SSD's are the way to go.

EVE online switched from Raid over to SSD's and they showed a 4000% increase in performance.  And let me tell you, lag used to be HORRIBLE just for thumbnail views!

Interesting. My next door neighbor is an engineer for AT&T. I was just complaining about my crappy DSL connection (they're coming to look at it) and he was telling me about the next-gen connection speeds - 12 MBps, x2 (24Mbps) - somehow dual lines...will be the next big thing. Put that with those SSDs and a good system...
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« Reply #27 on: June 29, 2008, 08:36:46 PM »
stock cablevision speeds at 15/2, and boost (next tier) is 30/5 and then you have lightpath. (down/up mbps)

once i get my mmo done (which will take me a few years to do >_>) i plan on having 1000mbps once i get 1500 subscribers. So .666 mbps per user, or 83KB/s potential bandwidth per person. Since the way i'm going to have the damage physics done, i should be able to handle the burst data streams to users for destructible mechs.

EDIT: BTW, my rig at it's best on air:

Q6600 @ 3.6
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It's a tame monster. Should chew up operations as a server if i need it. By the time my mmo is ready i'll probably have a skulltrail server with 16 cores on it with an SSD raid array maybe and use my current rig as a backup server.
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« Reply #28 on: June 30, 2008, 12:52:44 AM »
Quote from: Spartacus on June 29, 2008, 08:26:20 PM
Quote from: korsen on June 28, 2008, 08:55:05 PM
I work for cablevision in the NY/CT/NJ/LI area and our lightpath has some massive bandwidth (up to 1000MBPS per connection). Granted it would be expensive as hell for you guys, but if you're at all concerned aside from bandwidth with the read/write functions on the harddrive (if there are any...) depending on how many dedicated servers you set up, SSD's are the way to go.

EVE online switched from Raid over to SSD's and they showed a 4000% increase in performance.  And let me tell you, lag used to be HORRIBLE just for thumbnail views!

Interesting. My next door neighbor is an engineer for AT&T. I was just complaining about my crappy DSL connection (they're coming to look at it) and he was telling me about the next-gen connection speeds - 12 MBps, x2 (24Mbps) - somehow dual lines...will be the next big thing. Put that with those SSDs and a good system...

We got 16 and 25 MBit already in bigger cities. Though I don't recommend it in populated areas - lines tend to get clogged up by all the high speed users and that kills the big speed advantage on the line Smiley

As for the SSDs: As soon as they get cheaper I get me one. With SSDs you can actually use Vista at good speeds. Seen it in a Thinkpad with Vista, loaded up in 20 seconds. Awsce!
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« Reply #29 on: July 03, 2008, 12:09:14 AM »
Quote from: Seraph on June 30, 2008, 12:52:44 AM
As for the SSDs: As soon as they get cheaper I get me one. With SSDs you can actually use Vista at good speeds. Seen it in a Thinkpad with Vista, loaded up in 20 seconds. Awsce!

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