************************************So everyone is aware actual voting on this is looong over.  We are going with a hybrid design.  Feel free to continue discussing the pros and cons of either design however.    -Death_Grin         ***********************************************


Ok so here's the thing... All the Devs here agree that we should drop the Hellbringer (Loki) and replace it with the Mad Dog (Vulture). The problem is we've been having a debate about which cosmetic model to work off as a base model. So we've decided to put it up to an open vote to the community. I'll explain each each model and show picture examples of each...

The Classic BattleTech (CBT) version is a staple look for the Mad Dog. Introduced in the 3050 editions of CBT, the Mad Dog has been a support Mech for the Clans (especially Jade Falcon). It can be recognized by its narrow torso that mounts LRM 15s on each side of the torso and also equipped with a Large Pulse Laser and Medium Laser on each arm (quad lasers). Commonly seen in MechWarrior 2 & 3, as well as Mech Commander 1 & 2, as well seen in Classic BattleTech table top.







The Microsoft Version (or by CBT Fluff terms: "Inner Sphere redesign") also known as "The True Vulture" is a remodel of the Mad Dog. The main restructuring was done to make the Vulture look like it has more armor and bulk. Its design hold 2 LRM 20s on either torso and 2 Large Pulse lasers on either arm (but they look more like ammo based guns more than lasers). As well it has two Medium Pulse Lasers on the front nose turret. This model is seen in MechWarrior 4.









If you still can't decide, here is a ROUGH side by side view of both types of models.




Here is the V-ray Renders of both as per the Newsletter.

CBT Vulture



MW4 Vulture



So now its up to you. Which model would you rather see be made for MechWarrior: Living Legends? Cast your vote!

I personally like the MW4 version, simply because it looks less fragile.
The compromise you suggested sounds like the best solution though.

I vote MW4 version...why because it looks more like a heavy mech. the other one is far more flimsy looking in addition to being more retro looking than the mw4 type one. In addition the legs and feet are far more interesting on the MW4 version and finally the turret on the nose makes all the difference in the world.

The main guns are my biggest reason though they look far more intimidating and menacing looking than simple tubes.

tough choice I prefer the MW4 mech for the look of it, however if it is a support class mech I think it needs that quick agile look of the original... Im not crazy about the look of the lasers on the original though. perhaps if they where closer together or had some sort of connector between them.

heres what I propose, take the legs and the torso of the classic and use the armature (read arms not guns) and missile pods from the MW4 vulture. Keeping the actual lasers themselves... (maybe with previous amendment^).

That way A it looks a little more modern and B it still has that recognition factor.

I could live with this....can't we all just get along?

cbt version all the way, i find it much more aesthetically pleasing than the mw4 version

This guy deserves a raise.

Original/CBT Mad Dog

Pros : Recognizable and popular with CBT fans.
Cons: Looks rather retro (design-wise) and kinda spindly-looking. doesn't really convey the image of a heavy Mech.

MW4 Mad Dog/Vulture

Pros : Looks buff enough to pull off being called a heavy Mech.
Cons: Not instantly recognizable as the Vulture/Mad Dog. Most die-hard CBT fans probably hate it.

my two cents (worth far less in American dollars): the whole idea behind MWLL the way i see it is that we're making something that's ours. we've changed the concept of the battles, we're going deeper than previous BT/MW games and we're coming up with stuff even the TROs didn't have. it just makes sense that we revamp some Mech designs as well. so, my problem with the CBT Mad Dog is that the design just doesn't say heavy. hell, the MW4 Chimaera looks a lot more buff than that. so either the MW4 or we come up with something new.